Paul Harrell

disturbed1970

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#2
I've personally responded to six incidents of guys getting shot with birdshot (12ga), who went on to kill their shooters. All six lived, one took a full blast to the face at less than 3 yards. Blinded him, peeled most of the flesh off his face, but he took that one extra step and drove an 8-inch butcher knife into his shooter, repeatedly.

Birdshot is for birds. #4 buck and above is for humans. Dr. Gary K Roberts has some awesome pics of xrays of dudes hit with birdshot. Really impressive surface damage, with negligible damage to anything important.
 

NoFlyZone

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Some people are worried about over penetration from larger/heavier projectiles going through multiple walls and hitting family members. Hence the lighter projectiles.
That's the problem with modern home design.
They want the master bedroom at the opposite end of the house from the kids rooms, so the kids won't be traumatized by "maritial noises" coming from mom and dad's room.
This puts the kids in danger when the bad guy is between parents and kids.
If you miss the bad guy, you may hit the kids!
 

Optimist

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Me, I just want smaller holes in the sheetrock.... Disturbed, what range were these guys shot at? Makes a considerable difference. At ten feet from the muzzle, you get a bloody rat-hole with just about any shot charge.
 

Optimist

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Info, definitely. It is biased toward a conclusion that is in place before the framework is laid down. I take www.ar15 with a considerable dose of salt.... I've used the smoothbore for a lot of years now, and shot all kinds of things with it at a considerable difference in ranges and circumstances. From experience, I know that the bloody rathole effect inside ten yards is a real thing. I had to put down an injured horse with the shotgun one time, and all I had with me was light quail loads. So I know what the wound looks like up close. Given that ranges in my cabin will run six yards maximum, I would wager that my choice of load will suffice.

I"d not commend the notion to others, necessarily, but it worked for me when I needed it to. Disturbed70, I"d still like to get some details on those six shoots of yours, details concerning ranges, shot sizes and loadings. In any shoot, the devil is invariably in the details.... And, NoFlyZone, I haven't run across that 'snowflake effect' description before. Interesting.

Of the various shooting boards, I favor Gunboards and The High Road. Have usually gotten better information on those two.
 
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NoFlyZone

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I was in the local Coroner's office a while back, leafing through one of his books.
I saw an X-ray of some poor schmuck that had taken a load of bird shot to the chest.
The pattern had spread across his entire trunk with what I would call an even pattern.
Each individual pellet showed up as a brilliant white speck on the film.
I mentioned it to the Coroner and he said that was called the "snow flake effect"

Did the guy survive?
Well, the pic was in a Coroner's book, not a first aid manual!
 
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240Geezer

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What little I have for the one pump gun is buck or slug.
I do have some bird or sleet shot but only because someone gave it to me. That would only be for persistent yard pests.
Don’t tell Walter.