My "Basic SHTF" Survival theory.........For Me-myself and I.......not advocating it.

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I have been caching weapons and supplies for about 65 years. It started with stealing my mothers "Old Hickory" knives and food when I was 6 y/o. I was obsessed with Jim Bowie, Davey Crockett, Daniel Boone, and many other frontiers men. Later while still pre-teen, I became obsessed with the Mountain Men.

For the last 48 plus years I have been caching supplies all over Alaska.

My CACHING Program ERRORS and Total re-design

About four or five years ago, I was feeling pretty damn smug about being prepared for SHTF event. So.....I asked myself, "Is this place defensible". And I decided, that was an unknown, with too many variables. Best answer.......Yes, no, maybe.

I started working on improving security, but soon decided that the best thing is to not have all my supplies in one location, considering forest fire and homesteading in The National Forest, theft, looters, and so-called scavenging hoards of starving humans.

So, thrown back into the caching for survival way of life, I learned that this type of caching NEEDED to be set-up very differently from past caching experience. There is more thought needs to go into the sequence and required spacing of supplies. So I now I assume that I have no choice but to leave the cabin, in the dark of night, in my sleeping clothes (if any), in several feet of snow, barefoot, etc. and have reconfigured the caches based on this.

Here is a brief description of the way my caching program "WAS" till spring..........2012'ish.
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"About a dozen 55 Gallon steel drums with removable lids & lock rings cached. And an unknown number of 120 MM ammo cans cached.


With the semi-remote cabin as the “HUB” of the wheel I started building fall’back positions upto 35 miles in every direction (12 directions, one for each hour on the clock). And so I set’about finding caves, and/or digging caves, building remote shelters, each fully stocked including propane, stoves, split wood, food, saws, nails, everything. Scattered along the spokes of the wheel are 120 MM ammo cans each with 30 days food, fuel, candles, etc.

Even numbers on the clock (2, 4, 8,10 & 12’o-clock) each have at least three firearms and ammo. The odd numbers of the clock each have about 50 traps, fleshing boards, & stretchers. There are a total of 41 backpacks, 8 pair of smow-shoes, bunny boots, 18 sleeping bags, 14 chainsaws, and spare chain-loops & files, fuel, bar oil, etc."

I decided that I could die before I made it to the closest cache, and that cache might not have what was urgently needed. Another factor in rethinking the caching program was/is that as I am nearing 69 y/o I needed to move some of the far away caches closer, as I may not be able to move them at age 75, so it needed doing this year. So this summers exercise program has included hauling in caches. None of the caches had been disturbed, or damaged by moisture or bears.

Now the closest and second closest both have redundant everything needed if I show up in my undershorts and barefoot. In addition they have a prepackaged large backpack with complete camp for 3 to 5 days, and it is only two hours to the next 55 gallon drum of supplies for 30 to 40 days.

My point is that caching is more than just burying a five gallon bucket in the woods. It needs to be reviewed, and modified regularly to meet your current and your changing needs.

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Now.........Imagine my surprise when I read this brilliant blog post.........about "LEATHERMAN".

Excerpted from: The "WOODPILE REPORT BLOG" on "The Leatherman" (Oct. 31, 2017)

Although technically a vagabond, a man the locals called "Leatherman" lived a life approximating Escape and Evasion a century and a half ago. He traveled a circuit some 180 miles on a side, from Connecticut to the Hudson River and back again, with such regularity his reappearances were dependably foreseen by townspeople. In time he became an Odin The Wanderer-like legend.

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Excerpted from: http://www.woodpilereport.com/html/index-502.htm

Now that I am almost.......all grown up.......I now want to be "LEATHERMAN". (OK.......so what if I am crazy.......it has kept me from going insane".....I admit the line is getting more and more blurred).
 
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Optimist

NMR. 11/04/2020
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Back on the 'other board', there were those who belittled my practice of leaving a dutch oven and a few other supplies cached a day's walk in each of the four cardinal directions, and building relationships at four points where I'd be welcome if I walked in. One of these came to grief when the married folks who were both friends went through the kind of acrimonious divorce that leads to either spitting when the other's name is mentioned. In unsettled times, bad emotions like that tend to get acted on.
 

Back40

Well-known member
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I could do it in my area, but holy cow that is a LOT of caching. It took many years to get to that level. 41 backpacks? Twelve 55 gallon drums?

Still, it all starts with the first cache! I really need to do that. I'd like to find an ammo can that can fit a broken down AR15 to start with.
The military surplus store near me sells artillery cans that are almost long enough to put an AR15 in not broken down! I use them as Faraday cages. Might check that first.
 

The Branch Manager

Winter is coming. Forever.
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I could do it in my area, but holy cow that is a LOT of caching. It took many years to get to that level. 41 backpacks? Twelve 55 gallon drums?

Still, it all starts with the first cache! I really need to do that. I'd like to find an ammo can that can fit a broken down AR15 to start with.
https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/us-military-surplus-pa154-ammo-can-used?a=1935509

Here's your solution. Drop 2 rifles and 2 cases of ammo and 40 loaded mags avid 2 plate carriers and 2 pistols and still have room for a couple knives and lghts. Or so I hear.
 
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Last Friday I dug up a 120mm ammo can I had placed about four years ago. I dug it up for two reasons. I no longer bury caches, and I was sure this cache was mostly all Mountain House freeze dried food. To a much lesser extent I was curious as to if the 120mm can had any moisture inside. Even if it had moisture, that would not be an issue for the food, but I was kind'a thinking I could better use that can in a different location and with different contents, if I was 100% sure it was totally waterproof.

Well...........no food in the can, just two new cherry condition "Noveske" tools, all snug and happy inside their "Z-corr" long term sleeping bags. I always but a few rolls of butt-wipe at the top and bottom of ammo cans that are cached, as it tells me the second I up the can if any moisture had ever entered the can. All the toilet paper was completely dry after four years.
 
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You got money to cache Noveske Can Openers! Respect!
Some people have 401K plans, some IRA plans, some have any of the many other investment options. I happen to feel that for me, firearms are a good investment. I divide my firearms investment strategy into two basic groups. Cheap and simple to operate for trade stock with people who currently loath firearms, but some event could vanish their loathing. They will never love or appreciate firearms, but they want something simple. For that SHTF trade stock, I like to package one cheap revolver (generally .38 Spl.) with one box of cheap ammo. They will not care about quality, only that it goes "BANG", and solves their current problem.

Then for myself and others who appreciate quality, prefer quality, choose quality when available.........for them and myself I will have quality available if or when quality is needed.
 

GOBLIN X

PUKUTSI
Brass Subscriber
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SIX LATCH 20MM AMMO CAN.jpg
i went to using the 6 latch 20mm surplus cans, 6 latches they completely watertight, why we used to use em as portable pyro lockers,
they tend to not eat the seal up as bad as tha hinged 50s. and they stack a whole lot easier.

the bad side? they hold more. you fill it up with .556 or 7.62 watch you dont blow a hernia
they sell these lock kits for the 50 cal cans, if ya keep one out in general population, easy to make but for less than 7$ price is hard to beat......
https://gunandsurplus.com/Militaria-Surplus/Box-Lock-Systems-For-50-Cal-5.56mm-Ammo-Cans?cPath=77&