Incident at Scout camp...

Jayclimber

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#1
So as many of you know, I'm a staunch supporter of "traditional" Scouting in America where boys are Boy Scouts and women are Girl Scouts. I am adamantly against opening the doors to females into Boy Scouts, especial Cub Scouts as well as allowing boys into Girl Scouts.

My sons Pack is 100% male lead and, as of now, all boys. But this is not the norm, in fact we are in the minority here. Now we do have yearly family Campouts in the fall where parents and siblings get to attend camp and share in the fun. I think it helps with moms and sisters underatand what the "guys" do when we go away for the weekend. Nothing wrong with that, until this past weekend.

The bathhouse on the cub scout side has a mens and women's side. Of coursevthe mens side is marked as unisex and has unisex stalls in it. My daughter was with me (she's 12) and needed to change to go to her volleyball game (my wife was picking her up).

So I walked her up to the shower house and she was hesitant on going in. I told her I'd stand outside and would be sure to not let anything happen. So she went into the womens side. A few minutes later a guy walked up and tried to go in. I politely informed him that it was the women's side that the mens was on the other side and I pointed towards it. He proceeded to take a step towards the women's side. I took a large step towards him and said again "sir, thats the womens restroom, the Mens is over there" he stopped and responded that he didnt seevl what the big deal was . I took another step to block his path and in my dad voice stated "my daughter is in there and if you feel the need to continue on your current path your gonna need the emergency room instead of a restroom" he hesitatated and said "whatever" and made a course change and went for the mens restroom.

I was pissed about this situation and the mentality of most adults there was exactly that "whatever" type of outlook. Total disregard for rules, lack of respect, and a complete obliviousness to the real world.

My daughters earlier fear about the restroom situation was well warranted and I feel bed that she even has to have that thought on her mind...

***additional info***
This was a council event where there were over a dozen different packs in attendance with almost 600 people total, and the bulk of them are female lead groups.

Our pack was present with about 30 people including my daughter and one other daughter of a fellow MM (both of whom are in my girl Scout troop) Same age range as my daughter... Both girls said they wouldn't be interested in attending future Cub/Boy Scout events like this.
 
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WhiteWolf

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Jay, you did the best you could under the circumstances. I understand you can't help feeling bad for your D, but you didn't make a law saying this was "not just" OK, but we HAD to do it to respects trans people.

I can't help with an explanation for why the other Dad, didn't absolutely understand what the "big deal" is. Sheesh. Maybe teach your D to scream loudly, whenever she sees a man in the woman's restroom? We know already who's sensitive to the feelings of 12 yr old girls - and who's not.
 

O:gweh

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#12
Sometimes stories like this make me depressed and sometimes they make me pissed. Tonight it's both. My first instinct was to be pissed, then I remembered what year it is and it makes me depressed.

I so miss old America, where a guy like that would have gotten a good bitch slapping and if he called the cops, they would have arrested him !!!
 

Bronzino

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Good for you, Jay.

I was pissed about this situation and the mentality of most adults there was exactly that "whatever" type of outlook. Total disregard for rules, lack of respect, and a complete obliviousness to the real world.
This. I see this EVERY DAY as you do. Nothing gets me chapped faster. I haven't experienced anything on the level that you describe because I don't have kids, but it's evident at my work and home. Other people who live her routinely drop their fast food bags in the parking space next to their car; throw drink cups/empty cans on the grass; throw bags of trash at the dumpster, don't bother putting them IN the dumpster. It's a fucking mess.

It always astonished me that there is an enormous lack of consideration - not just for others, but for yourself! It floors me. I can't even imagine what the inside of their apartments look like...

Stay strong, brother. Maybe if we keep chipping away at 'em there will eventually be a generational shift. I hope so.