I don't understand this...

sarco2000

Beyond the Grid
#1
American hunter's images of her black giraffe 'trophy kill' spark outrage

I understand hunter pays a LOT of money which goes toward managing the wildlife and keeping them alive, I understand the meat goes to the locals, and you could argue that African big game hunting does more good than harm.

I understand that when you hunt an elk you may want to hang the antlers on the wall. I get that.

But this, I don't get.

 

Sentinel one

Man is a bad animal...
#3
This is not hunting.. it is killing. I hunt for food. I kill animals that damage
my property, or want to kill me. I would rather not kill anything, but it is
part of my life here now.. I accept it. My buddy Lenny taught me how to
hunt, and he said that killing something just because you can for no
real reason will come back on you 10 times.. I feel sorry for this woman.
She needs a life.
 

Donfini2

Slayer of hops and barley, lifelong hill William
#5
I see it that way too, if she was only hunting for the trophy then sentinel point would be spot on. The wrapping around her is keep the head from flopping over on its side, with the tongue hanging out on the ground.
She fed a lot of people with the kill.
I know some feel it was tied to a tree to shoot it, but that’s not true either.
A managed game reserve will ensure only mature animals are hunted and not young ones. They have a big interest in making sure the bloodlines continue on.

That’s a lot more positive than Mother Nature affords or poachers for that matter.
 

240Geezer

Old dude with a ‘tude
Gold Subscriber
#6
A giraffe? C’mon.
Not like it could hide or really run away.
I don’t think I could find a goofier animal to kill.
It’s not the conservancy aspect. But seriously a giraffe was her dream hunt?
Not a say a lion, tiger, bear, Cape buffalo?
I find that just a little odd. (Disturbing)
 

sarco2000

Beyond the Grid
#7
I see it that way too, if she was only hunting for the trophy then sentinel point would be spot on. The wrapping around her is keep the head from flopping over on its side, with the tongue hanging out on the ground.
She fed a lot of people with the kill.
I know some feel it was tied to a tree to shoot it, but that’s not true either.
A managed game reserve will ensure only mature animals are hunted and not young ones. They have a big interest in making sure the bloodlines continue on.

That’s a lot more positive than Mother Nature affords or poachers for that matter.
Yeah I'm pretty sure I said most of that in my OP. She WAS hunting only for a trophy though. This is not a case of bringing home some meat for the freezer.

But to answer you and Mel both, what I don't get is the urge to go kill big animals for the sheer joy of it.

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Mel's Cookin'

Word based person lost in a video world!
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#8
Bunches of the stuff I've read since seeing this thread were dramatic, emotional posts about the "rare" black giraffe. There is no black giraffe. Giraffes get darker on the top as they get older. This giraffe was 18 years old, not in his reproduction years any more but being disruptive to the younger bulls.

I've seen people lay on the backs of deer, especially young hunters with their first kill. They come out of the woods with blood painted on their faces and it's a big deal to celebrate. Doesn't mean they are mean, cruel, or disrespectful, it means they were hunting, were successful and everyone is happy.

BTW, this safari when she killed the giraffe was last year. These pics had previously been posted by her, BUT a politically motivated online magazine in South Africa has made the big hullabaloo including the racist description of her. This is much more about her being white and daring to hunt in their country (legally, she did follow all their rules), they'd probably rather have no white hunters come to South Africa and kill anything, adding beau coup bucks to their economy... they can sit on the farms they took but won't farm and gamble on how long it will take for the lack of game management funds from these hunts to cause the giraffes to go from vulnerable to endangered.
 
#9
Yeah I'm pretty sure I said most of that in my OP. She WAS hunting only for a trophy though. This is not a case of bringing home some meat for the freezer.

But to answer you and Mel both, what I don't get is the urge to go kill big animals for the sheer joy of it.

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She did donate the meat though, and it was a conservation approved hunt. If she has the money and likes to kill things, she did do it properly. People around here with plenty of money for food hunt trophy whitetail bucks every winter.

It's the pose that's weird to me. I cuddle my live dog, have a fur jacket but don't want an animal carcass wrapped around me!
 

sonofliberty

Well-known member
#10
American hunter's images of her black giraffe 'trophy kill' spark outrage

I understand hunter pays a LOT of money which goes toward managing the wildlife and keeping them alive, I understand the meat goes to the locals, and you could argue that African big game hunting does more good than harm.

I understand that when you hunt an elk you may want to hang the antlers on the wall. I get that.

But this, I don't get.

I don't see the problem unless she was poaching
 

Mattsn

Well-known member
Brass Subscriber
#11
These african safari hunts help local tribes in a big way. First, you cant keep the meat, it goes to the tribes. So does a bit of the money you pay to make the hunt. As mentioned above. These hunts are highly regulated and only allowed to be done with a guide who approves what you shoot. They will not allow a young animal to be taken. They use these hunts to make money, to provide food for tribes and to control heard size. And yes a giraffe can easily run. It is fair game fair chase. It takes alot of skill for these trackers and guides to get you close enough to shoot an animal. Sometimes they're on a trail for days.
 

sarco2000

Beyond the Grid
#14
She did donate the meat though, and it was a conservation approved hunt. If she has the money and likes to kill things, she did do it properly. People around here with plenty of money for food hunt trophy whitetail bucks every winter.

It's the pose that's weird to me. I cuddle my live dog, have a fur jacket but don't want an animal carcass wrapped around me!
The pose is very strange.

I'm pretty sure they always have to donate the meat as a condition of their permit. I understand about the positive aspects to it. I don't have a problem with it or think it shouldn't be allowed - despite that being the direction the thread is going in.

Probably my own fault because I didn't specify that I simply don't understand why people like to do it.

I've killed big animals before too, so I'm not just talking out my ass.
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Bud

New, and yet, old
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#15
I had a friend that went on safari last year. As a means of paying his really horrendous guide bill, he agreed to sponsor (and fill up the guest list) for a South African professional guide to come and present a presentation of his comapny's services in order to drum up more business.

I was pretty turned off by the whole thing but I did learn this: There are virtually no areas anywhere in Africa where animals roam free. All are contained within game parks. Granted, many of them are huge areas but they are all strictly controlled by the countries and for the most part, managed by the hundreds of safari guide countries.

All animals taken by hunt are pretty much confined to a specific area.

I'm with Sarco on this. This is just someone wanting to kill something for fun. I can't see the sport in this.
 

The Branch Manager

Winter is coming. Forever.
#16
Everybody is right here. This was just an ill fated attempt at sharing her trophy. I'm going to take as fact the dark equals age and say the conservancy knows this. Everybody wins here so I don't see what the problem is. I personally wouldn't do it, I'd spend my money elsewhere, but compared to lion or elephant prices, the giraffe is the way to go.
 

Mattsn

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#17
Confined? Ive never heard they're fenced in. They can walk out of the "protected" areas and into danger, high poaching areas. I watched a show on this a few years back. The game reserves are so large they cant possibly fence it in.
 

Mattsn

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#18
Everybody is right here. This was just an ill fated attempt at sharing her trophy. I'm going to take as fact the dark equals age and say the conservancy knows this. Everybody wins here so I don't see what the problem is. I personally wouldn't do it, I'd spend my money elsewhere, but compared to lion or elephant prices, the giraffe is the way to go.
Ive always wanted to hunt a Greater kudo. But too damn expensive and i cant sit in a plane for that long
 

The Branch Manager

Winter is coming. Forever.
#20
Who the fuck kills a giraffe?
The real answer is someone that wants a large trophy and either doesn't have the money for a lion hunt (big difference) or someone that just doesn't have a giraffe in their third extra house hunt camp. I wouldn't do it, but I have paid for other guided trophy hunts in the past.
ETA- I get why she did it. I get went other hunters find it odd and the sheep are abhorred by it. I couldn't probably do it but I cannot condone it either as long add the animal isn't harmed if confined and all of the kill is utilized in some way beneficial to those people. Give them some of the white devils technology and clean water. And money.
 
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